1814 pre civil war belt buckle Indian war

[Vinmans Relics]

Has anyone seen one of these before the exact same thing very rare and how much is it worth, only found a replica and the replica came from Virginia parsley brass and the company owner said he got the copy from a collector 20 years ago and that's all I know besides the Smithsonian having a picture of it.

 

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[lairmo]

Hope it's real!!

 

[eyemustdigtreasure]

Boy! That is a SWEET buckle! Great condition!
Welcome to TNet...!

 

[Tony in SC]

Nice buckle. Did you dig it? Can you get a pic of the back?

 

[A2coins]

Wow great relic

 

[A2coins]

Welcome to tnet from MI Tommy

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Unfortunately, a large number of repro War of 1812 belt plates have flooded the market over the years.
I'm no expert, I'm just offering my opinion.

Here's a pic of a 'good reproduction' for comparison.

"This plate may have been sold innocently at auction, but it's a fake nonetheless.
It is clearly a modern casting of an original plate... the original was die stamped."

Dave

 

[Vinmans Relics]

1814 belt buckle

I found this off the Mohawk Massachusetts in a slab LED flashing that's probably why it was in such good shape

 

[Vinmans Relics]

I can tell what a replica looks like but thanks for info

 

[Vinmans Relics]

I sent more a picture so you can take a look at it a little better

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Having now seen the back and the 'dug pics', your find definitely looks to be the real deal.
This is why it's a good idea to include a number of pics and some background info on where you made your find when asking for help with an I.D..

If this proves to be real... it's certainly BANNER worthy!

Dave

 

[Vinmans Relics]

apparently somebody didn't do their homework when they bought that one

 

[duggap]

In the book "American Military Belt Plates" by O'Donnell and Campbell, on page 108, plate 164 is as close a match as I can find. It states: "Waist Belt Plate, Common Militia Plate, ca. 1820-1835". The cannon balls under the barrel on each side is somewhat unique and this plate matches that exactly.

 

[Vinmans Relics]

Could you send me a picture of it I'm just wondering if it's the exact thing it has two tassels on each side up top and it has 7 cannonballs on the left six on the right. You said you found it in a book did it show what it was worth.

 

[DenDigger]

Incredible find! And I agree, with the previous comment about taking pics in the field. So many counterfeits out there in all aspects of collectibles. Pics of the relic coming out of the ground surely lend credibility.
Congrats

 

[Joe-Dirt]

Very nice find, that thing is very cool, congrats!!

 

[Vinmans Relics]

The belt plate that you said matches mine could you send me a picture of it

 

[DCMatt]

I didn't find a picture of a matching belt plate but did find a matching cap plate 1814 - 1825(?). Please read the excerpt from the book posted below.

A die variant of the preceding plate, this device has an unusually wide floral border. As in so many of the common pieces of this period, the center device was purposely designed small so that the die could be used to strike matching waist-belt plates. Examples of waist-belt plates struck from dies of this particular design are known. Struck in copper, there is a plume socket soldered to the reverse along with two looped-wire fasteners. The fasteners are not contemporary.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38738/38738-h/38738-h.htm

Figure 104