1788 massachusetts common wealth cent

[allsmith]

got this in a bag of coins i bought,, not sure if it is authentic or not,, magnet does not stick,, whats weird is that it vdi's at 32 pulltab on my whites m6,, can get it weighed if that helps... quarter is for size... thanks all

 

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[jeff of pa]

My Guess it's real.

Cool find

 

[Groovedymond]

What was in the bag of coins with it? What kind of 'bag' were you buying? An assorted old bag or something?

 

[blurr]

looks like the one.

 

[blurr]

Sorry,

1788 Ryder 3-E MA cent - Perkins

Obverse: COMMON [star] WEALTH
Reverse: MASSACHUSETTS . 1788

Weight: 152.4 g (9.87 grams) Diameter: 29.12 mm Reverse die alignment: 180°

Comments: Produced from a die by Jacob Perkins. The obverse can be distinguished as obverse 3 in that the top of the bow ascends to the top of the N in the legend and the ray of the star points towards the Indian's throat. Additionally, the butt of the arrow points towards the left of the E. There is also a diebreak at the letter N, which in this example goes to the rim. Obverse 3 was joined with reverses A and E. On this specimen there are several planchet striation marks across the front. The example was removed from an encased slab, where it had been assigned a PCGS grade of VF-35 (311.35/4775292).

The reverse can be distinguished as reverse E in that the lower left leaf of the olive branch touches the eagle's claw while opposite the third arrow from the right touches the eagle's wing tip. In all there are seven arrows in the eagle's talon with the fifth arrow from the right pointing to the bottom feather in the second row. The upper line above the date is heavy and in the date the central numerals 78 are lower than the outer numerals. In the legend the M and A are closer together than the A and S. Also, this is one of a few varieties where the final S ends above the point of the wing tip.This reverse was combined with obverses 3 and 11. This die shows the distinctive S with long serifs at either end, attributed to Perkins, giving it the appearance of being "closed" when compared with the less pronounced serifs on the "open" S in the dies attributed to Callender.

Provenance: Acquired through the the Robert H. Gore, Jr. Numismatic Endowment from the EAHA auction of January 17, 1998, lot 42.

 

[PBK]

These might be of interest:

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/MA-Copper.2.html

http://coins.heritageauctions.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=411&Lot_No=7001

http://www.eacs.org/
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"Links" > "CVM" > "Colonial Coins" > "Colonials" > "Pg. 5"

 

[allsmith]

thanks for help all for some reason i just dont think its real,,, seen some on ebay that where reproductions,,,but u never know!! gonna weigh it and go from there,,oh,, groove,,i got the coins from a woman that lives in town and she found them walking the sidewalks over the yrs,, there was some real old coins in the bag,,, 1850 large cent,,silver forgien coin 1830,, and a bunch of wheat pennies

 

[Groovedymond]

Wow.. that is fantastic. I need to make a friend like that!!!!

Good luck on the coin. I hope it's real!