1652 NE Colonial or fake

[BioProfessor]

I posted this in the ""What is it" forum but thought there might be someone here who could more easily tell.

A buddy of mine sent this to me from Florida. Wants to know if it is a real 1652 "NE" Shilling. I say the letters are off and it's a replica. He says it was found in the ground and is real. Any expert opinions?

Thanks,

Daryl

Thanks for the feedback.

That's what I think too but there were different types of dies out there. If the copy/replica looks like this one, could this one not be a real one that was made with the same dies as the one that was copied?

Daryl

Top ones are his. Second two are confirmed real ones. Bottom two are fakes.

 

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[l.cutler]

Definitely a replica, as you say the letters are all wrong.

 

[BioProfessor]

That's what I think too but there were different types of dies out there. If the copy/replica looks like this one, could this one not be a real one that was made with the same dies as the one that was copied?

Daryl

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Is it real silver?

 

[BioProfessor]

Seems to be about the right alloy. Not pure.

Daryl

 

[RELICDUDE07]

look on the edge for any lines/seams like it may have been made in two parts....It looks like i can almost see one in the pic...

 

[PBK]

I believe that your friend's coin more closely resembles this copy on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1652-New-England-Shilling-COPY_W0QQitemZ380079904790

 

[BioProfessor]

Doesn't get any better PBK. You're still the man. Don't know how you do it. Still wondering if you are just one person.

Thanks,

Daryl

 

[PBK]

Glad I could help, Daryl!

(Trust me, only one person— and some would say barely that!)

 

[BioProfessor]

Barely one person? Yeah right. You rule the roost my friend. You come up with the most amazing answers I have ever seen. Kick my butt most of the time that's for sure and I used to do this for a living.

I'll fight ANYONE on this position. I can't keep track of the number of post that either call out to you or say they hope you drop in and save our drowning butts.

No PBK, you are MORE than a whole person and a heck of one at that. No discussion. No debate. End of story.

Daryl

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

My question would be...... How old are some of the fakes? If the fakes are even 40 years old and dropped on that day, how deep could they be in the ground ?
I have no idea if this coin is real or not. Alot of counterfeit coins have been dug.


VPR

 

[l.cutler]

That's what I think too but there were different types of dies out there. If the copy/replica looks like this one, could this one not be a real one that was made with the same dies as the one that was copied?

Daryl

Yeah, sorry I should have included, there are six varieties of Shilling and this doesn't match any of them.

 

[BioProfessor]

Six varieties of the shilling mean six different dies? I'm way out of my area here.

Thanks,

Daryl

 

[l.cutler]

There are three obverse dies and four reverse dies, the combinations used to make the coins come to six. The varieties are, I-A, I-D, II-A, III-A, III-B and III-C.

 

[BioProfessor]

Pretty much sums it up and closes the case.

Thanks!!

Daryl

 

[Siegfried Schlagrule]

During the US Bicentennial cast fakes were sold of all the colonial coins. they were fairly cheap and many were carried as lucky coins and pocket pieces. Many were sent to school for "show and tell" and never made it back home. It is very easy to find a fake coin in the ground. In some cases the coin is a "contemporary counterfeit" and it can sometimes have a value in excess of the same genuine coin. siegfried schlagrule