SILVER SEAL FOB!!!

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Wow you never expect it!

I was taking out a 'first timer' (friends wife from work) to give her a taste of detecting, as she was keen to try. I was surprised she lasted just short of 4 hours & was continuing in the near dark. She had a nice decorated tombac & 2 rose farthings - a good start, as those things are tiny.

I feel a little bad because I switched runs to put her on flatter ground & joked I would get the gold coin now! Instead a stunning silver seal fob! It's edge was poking out the ground & I thought - 'another tombac'.....

Made by the famous silversmith 'Hester Bateman' circa 1790s!
See similar:
Fob Seal by HESTER BATEMAN, LONDON - Peter Cameron Antique Silver

Other finds:
1 scrappy
1 broken Tudor Clothes Fastener
Lead Cloth Seal
Rose Farthing
1/4 Hammered
Bits...
What a weekend, I should leave Dad at home more often.:laughing9:

UPDATE:

I wish it was better news, as I would have loved to have contacted the present family but its a deadend right now. Here are the experts thoughts so far:

'The nearest I can get to it is for the Clement family but as can be seen from this link the thing wrong with it are the roundels (bezants) instead of the stars (mullets) Peyton Clements - Clements Coat of Arms

The heraldic description for your seal will be something like 'argent two bends wavy sable, in chief gules three mullets of five Or' in English it means, 'on a silver background two black wavy diagonal lines, above, a red line with three gold stars of five points each'. Can you confirm if the crest is a Pegasus or a winged lion as it isn't too clear from the image, it may help my research?'

I replied 'Griffin';

'The Clements family may still be in the frame as there is a branch from Harwich that had a sitting griffin on a mount as their crest A Dictionary of Suffolk Crests: Heraldic Crests of Suffolk Families - Joan Corder - Google Books

It is possible that this branch changed the coat of arms slightly from what I sent you yesterday to the design you have to distinguish that branch from the others.'
 

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That is a special find indeed - I remember the name Hester Bateman , as some friends of mine in Santa Fe owned a shop dealing antique
table & domestic silver - they had a creamer or caudle cup or something by Bateman . Great Find !

For female silversmiths to achieve notoriety in that time period (1790's) was no small accomplishment ,
this indicated that she achieved a level of mastery (guild hall standards) at least the equal of her male
colleagues !
 

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WOW, the only seal type that could top that would be a solid gold one, but I sure love that one! Super find................
 

WOW, the only seal type that could top that would be a solid gold one, but I sure love that one! Super find................

We have had only 1 other solid silver one & it had a horse head on it & it was 1/2 the size. Not a good looker like this one, I'm stoked!
 

Awesome finds! ! The silver Seal is incredible I love it!! Can't wait to see your next post
 

Awesome finds! ! The silver Seal is incredible I love it!! Can't wait to see your next post

Cheers, but I can pretty much promise it ain't going to be this good. November is normally a slow month for us!
 

Wonderful to find a seal like this intact. What do you think the image on the seal represents.A griffin over a shield of stars and stripes with rose border. any Ideas ?
 

Awesome, as usual, Congrats.:hello:
 

Wonderful to find a seal like this intact. What do you think the image on the seal represents.A griffin over a shield of stars and stripes with rose border. any Ideas ?

I would agree, Griffin. But I'm seeking an expert opinion & will update as soon as I know. Fingers crossed for a family name.:thumbsup:
 

That is one beautiful FOB Cru. :occasion14: Very cool.
How did she take the news? :laughing7:
-MM-
 

That's a stunner!

Showing a first timer that is what's out there to be found would get them hooked in an instant.

Even us seasoned hunters are impressed!
 

OMG !
I am without speech.
Seals are pretty few and far between, (I want one) but one like that....

I'm voting.
 

And I thought Rick and I had a good day. Amazing find Cru.:notworthy:
Hope you can nail down the crest.
Voting Banner on this one.
ZDD
 

Wow, Crusader, you make some amazing discoveries! You certainly have my Banner Vote!
 

Thanks guys, I just got a bit lucky. This 10 acre field was pretty much off the radar as Dad & I did the whole lot & thought it only worth a second chance if we were desperate. Mainly because the good finds were few & far between. I would have taken the newbie elsewhere (better field) but the small window for that field closed when we call it off, due to bad weather. This was the backup & I wasn't that confident, but that's detecting, full of surprises!
 

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