Yes, that DC 10 appears to be full flaps down! Stall speed for those birds are about 145 so, yes, he is laying it all "on the line" for people he probably never met! A cross wind or gust and DOWN he goes. God bless them all! I, as you know, was a cop. I could chase a bad guy down an alley at night and he may not shoot me. He may even give up. But a fire has no sole. It has no conscience. A fire don't give up! God bless 'em all! Tnx for the PM, my friend. Terry