ID. help with early 19th century British whisky

[GatorBoy]

Unfortunately I do not have a whole bottle but I would like to try to get as close as I can to the maker. Does anyone know a good sorce for info of this kind? These were all recovered from an area of a fort occupied from 1835- 1842

 

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I wanted to clarify that is not a seam on the shoulder piece

 

[wvwildman]

nice finds cold be a wine bottle

 

[surf]

Great shards, in the morning, GB,

Those are some beautiful black glass bits. I'm struggling with this base lettering on the above base, this base is an early example of the Henry Ricketts style patent mould. I suspect the "Bris..." is Bristol, and I believe it would have been, "Many or most actual Ricketts' produced bottles are embossed on the base with H. RICKETTS & CO. GLASS WORKS BRISTOL, date between 1821 and 1853, and almost always have a sand pontil scar (Jones 1983; Boow 1991). Bottle Bases Page

H Ricketts Co Glass Works with Beaded Seal Pontil Good Shape | eBay

The piece in your palm, above, is part of the lip of a Dutch Pig snout case gin.

I'd ask if you can get more Macro on some of these, please.

As to glass houses, and pointing to one particular glass works, or another, that's gonna be tough, I'm sure we can come up with some possibilities, though...

Here's one, to start, Falcon Glass Works: http://www.inchicore-pressedglass-museum.org/Pellatt%20Glassmakers.pdf, though they seemed to feature fancier goods than these utilitarian vessels...

I'm anxious to hear backstory, and to learn if this site is still accessible...

Thanks for showing us. Lemme do some more looking around.

Bottle Bases Page

 

[GatorBoy]

Thank you VERY much!

 

[GatorBoy]

yes I have access to a point. I can't dig up the entire property but have had access during land clearing and still have a section that appears to have been a trash pit.

 

[GatorBoy]

I noticed the glass seal on that bottle from RICKETTS and realized I forgot to post this piece.

 

[surf]

...still have a section that appears to have been a trash pit.

Hello GB,

Man, that is exciting! Do you have plans to dig? I'd love to have a site like that...

With that long an occupation, there should be substantial amounts of goodies beneath the surface. Have you probed?

If you do dig, be ever so careful. I like to use a bent tine, barbecue fork for scratching in delicate glass, fluffy ash layers... Glass of this age is prized. It often has sidewalls of uneven thickness, varying from the sturdy to the paper thin.

How'd you recover these shards? How deep were they? Please think about removing some of the above information, unless this property is very secure. There are unscrupulous folk who might try to beat you to the glass.

Im excited for you, and wishing you some Onions and Mallets...

 

[GatorBoy]

You've been a great help. Thank you very much

 

[GatorBoy]

nice finds cold be a wine bottle

Thanks... I'm sure some were. The glass seal is definitely wine. "Medoc" is a wine producing region.

 

[surf]

Bottle Seal - Glass, Bordeaux Vineyards, France, 19th Century (Damaged) - Museum Victoria

Hey GB,

The seals, themselves, as you can see, are most collectible. Wonderful color on that one, sir.

A great candidate for some macro work, should you have the inclination. The serifed letters on the shoulder of the one shard, and the base of the Ricketts would be as well, to my way of thinking.

While fondling these guys, you might have a look at the bases, with a strong backlight, to see if there might be a blue cast to the center...

Speaking of St. Estephe, I thought you might enjoy this bit from the archaeologic survey of the Cabildo of old N'awlins:

"Pieces of wine and liquor bottles account for half the glass vessel fragments located in the prison interior, which is not surprising since the prisoners received liquor allotments. The crew discovered mold-blown opaque "black" glass bottles used primarily for liquor in the nineteenth century. These thick vessels appear black but are actually dark green. Wine bottle fragments tell us that prisoners also drank wine. At least once, a prisoner or a guard enjoyed wine from the St. Estephe winery, located near Pauillac in the Haute-Medoc region of France." Archaeology_At_The_Cabildo There's a B&W photo, as well, in the highlighted article. Rather interesting, and well written, too.

(The Cabildo)​

 

[GatorBoy]

Great info there Surf. Thank you..this might be a good time to post some non bottle glass items since they can be very diagnostic and help date the bottles found as well.

 

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[surf]

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Oh, man! You are killing me, over here.

Outstanding face pipe, sir! One of the very few I've seen in green. I think it's an American made variation on the Turk's head.

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If you ever need a guest digger, please let me know. Man, oh, man...

etsy

 

[GatorBoy]

Yup! Turks head.. it took me a while to find that out. I almost forgot...you asked about bluish glass..I'm assuming you meant the kind with contamination from the pontil. I have a good example of that.

 

[GatorBoy]

I also found some very interesting pieces that I'm sure will add some mystery to all this. Here is one of them.

 

[surf]

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Whoa, GB,

That is one helluva an artifact, sir! Looks to me like Micanopy, Alligator, and Jumper were turning the white man's refreshments against Colonel Loomis and the boys... Those stealthy Seminole strike again. What a great piece! I don't know if the home audience is appreciating this, as much as I am.

You gotta dig this place properly. I volunteer as screen shaker & assistant scratcher. I say banner coming soon, though if it were up to me...

Great history, just above ^^^ folks.

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